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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 1: what&#8217;s wrong with Matthew Henry</title>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on Antiquity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some Book Reviews 2 of 2: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Antiquity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some Book Reviews 2 of 2: Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] well, but I guess you cannot have everything. Oh, and don&#8217;t let Jim West know that I have it, since he loathes anything coming from InterVarsity Press (I would link directly to Jim&#8217;s post, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] well, but I guess you cannot have everything. Oh, and don&#8217;t let Jim West know that I have it, since he loathes anything coming from InterVarsity Press (I would link directly to Jim&#8217;s post, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Heard</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-22590</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Heard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, in my judgment, it is inappropriate to cite the sermons or even commentaries of Augustine, Luther, or Calvin—or, for that matter, Benedict XVI—in an academic exegesis, except for flavor or to illustrate the history of interpretation. Sermons simply aren&#039;t &lt;em&gt;academic sources&lt;/em&gt;, no matter how significant and influential the preacher. Also, I have to wonder whether the sermons of even such luminaries as Luther and Calvin, never mind second-stringers like Zwingli (that was for Jim) and, well, farm-leaguers like Henry &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; have had much of a &lt;em&gt;direct&lt;/em&gt; impact on &lt;em&gt;modern scholarly&lt;/em&gt; interpretations. Of course, I&#039;m expressing a personal opinion here, and one geared toward a narrow range of writing.

Now this next part may sound a bit snide, and I don&#039;t really mean it personally toward Ray or anyone else. Yet I have to ask: how long does one have to be dead before one&#039;s sermons are hallowed enough to be cited in &lt;em&gt;academic&lt;/em&gt; papers as time-honored wisdom? If we take a snapshot of Christian belief across the US population &lt;em&gt;today&lt;/em&gt;, the sermons of Billy Graham and Rick Warren have arguably made a greater impact &lt;em&gt;in that context&lt;/em&gt; than have the sermons of Luther or Calvin (maybe not Augustine, depending on how much of Augustine filters through in Catholic homilies—but also depending on how many nominal Catholics are actually there to hear the homilies). Yet &lt;em&gt;nobody&lt;/em&gt; suggests that Billy Graham&#039;s sermons, or Rick Warren&#039;s, should be cited in &lt;em&gt;academic exegeses&lt;/em&gt; because of their &quot;impact.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, in my judgment, it is inappropriate to cite the sermons or even commentaries of Augustine, Luther, or Calvin—or, for that matter, Benedict XVI—in an academic exegesis, except for flavor or to illustrate the history of interpretation. Sermons simply aren&#8217;t <em>academic sources</em>, no matter how significant and influential the preacher. Also, I have to wonder whether the sermons of even such luminaries as Luther and Calvin, never mind second-stringers like Zwingli (that was for Jim) and, well, farm-leaguers like Henry <em>really</em> have had much of a <em>direct</em> impact on <em>modern scholarly</em> interpretations. Of course, I&#8217;m expressing a personal opinion here, and one geared toward a narrow range of writing.</p>
<p>Now this next part may sound a bit snide, and I don&#8217;t really mean it personally toward Ray or anyone else. Yet I have to ask: how long does one have to be dead before one&#8217;s sermons are hallowed enough to be cited in <em>academic</em> papers as time-honored wisdom? If we take a snapshot of Christian belief across the US population <em>today</em>, the sermons of Billy Graham and Rick Warren have arguably made a greater impact <em>in that context</em> than have the sermons of Luther or Calvin (maybe not Augustine, depending on how much of Augustine filters through in Catholic homilies—but also depending on how many nominal Catholics are actually there to hear the homilies). Yet <em>nobody</em> suggests that Billy Graham&#8217;s sermons, or Rick Warren&#8217;s, should be cited in <em>academic exegeses</em> because of their &#8220;impact.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Timmermans</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-22534</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Timmermans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 06:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noticeably missing in the discussion of Henry&#039;s commentary is any substantive discussion of his interpretations, how and where they are inaccurate and on what exegetical grounds. How is it possible to debunk an author&#039;s interpretations without even considering their substance in specificity? How &quot;academically credible&quot; is that?

Granted, I would never cite Henry either in an exegesis paper, but to not even engage his views while at the same time debunking them seems equally non-academic.

From my perspective it certainly raises the larger question as to when one is warranted in citing a sermon of Augustine, Luther or Calvin on an exegetical issue. Presumably, because these &quot;big three&quot; have had an impact on the history of interpretation, whereas Matthew Henry has not, the weight of their views still matters--irrespective of whether or not their exegesis is simply bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noticeably missing in the discussion of Henry&#8217;s commentary is any substantive discussion of his interpretations, how and where they are inaccurate and on what exegetical grounds. How is it possible to debunk an author&#8217;s interpretations without even considering their substance in specificity? How &#8220;academically credible&#8221; is that?</p>
<p>Granted, I would never cite Henry either in an exegesis paper, but to not even engage his views while at the same time debunking them seems equally non-academic.</p>
<p>From my perspective it certainly raises the larger question as to when one is warranted in citing a sermon of Augustine, Luther or Calvin on an exegetical issue. Presumably, because these &#8220;big three&#8221; have had an impact on the history of interpretation, whereas Matthew Henry has not, the weight of their views still matters&#8211;irrespective of whether or not their exegesis is simply bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Higgaion &#187; The &#8220;whom not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 4:</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-21099</link>
		<dc:creator>Higgaion &#187; The &#8220;whom not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 4:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 21:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kerfuffle, part 4:  Some of you may think that this series has already run its course (see my part 1, part 2, and part 3, and follow the links), and some of you may think that I am taking the whole [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kerfuffle, part 4:  Some of you may think that this series has already run its course (see my part 1, part 2, and part 3, and follow the links), and some of you may think that I am taking the whole [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Codex: Biblical Studies Blogspot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banning Books and Blogs - Jim West&#8217;s Imprimatur</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-21064</link>
		<dc:creator>Codex: Biblical Studies Blogspot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banning Books and Blogs - Jim West&#8217;s Imprimatur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a firestorm breaks out! Michael Bird started the &#8220;kerfuffle&#8221; (using Chris Heard&#8217;s description of the controversy) when he listed as one of his &#8220;pet hates&#8221; when his students cite Matthew Henry&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a firestorm breaks out! Michael Bird started the &#8220;kerfuffle&#8221; (using Chris Heard&#8217;s description of the controversy) when he listed as one of his &#8220;pet hates&#8221; when his students cite Matthew Henry&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ketuvim: the Writings of James R. Getz Jr. On Bloggings and Book Sales &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-21060</link>
		<dc:creator>Ketuvim: the Writings of James R. Getz Jr. On Bloggings and Book Sales &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 14:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Heard has a three part series on the whole thing over at Higgaion. Good stuff. Also, I have to say the derision with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Christopher Heard has a three part series on the whole thing over at Higgaion. Good stuff. Also, I have to say the derision with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Higgaion &#187; The &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 3: what&#8217;s wrong with the question</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-21053</link>
		<dc:creator>Higgaion &#187; The &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 3: what&#8217;s wrong with the question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 12:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the question  If you haven&#8217;t been reading this series all along, you might want to check out part 1 and part 2, and follow the links to Charles Halton&#8217;s and Jim West&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the question  If you haven&#8217;t been reading this series all along, you might want to check out part 1 and part 2, and follow the links to Charles Halton&#8217;s and Jim West&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Higgaion &#187; The &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 2: what&#8217;s wrong with IVP?</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-20968</link>
		<dc:creator>Higgaion &#187; The &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 2: what&#8217;s wrong with IVP?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 2: what&#8217;s wrong with IVP?  In my previous post on the &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, I commented on Michael Bird&#8217;s original complaint against students citing Matthew [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, part 2: what&#8217;s wrong with IVP?  In my previous post on the &#8220;who not to cite&#8221; kerfuffle, I commented on Michael Bird&#8217;s original complaint against students citing Matthew [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Heard</title>
		<link>http://www.heardworld.com/higgaion/?p=602&#038;cpage=1#comment-20963</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Heard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, you are 100% correct, and I should have included &quot;history of interpretation&quot; or &quot;history of reception&quot; papers in my parenthetical list. Thank you for the addition.

Peter, you also are quite right. In this particular post, I was focusing on Michael Bird&#039;s original point. As a taste of things to come, I will mention that I largely agree with Charles&#039;s &quot;sharp retort,&quot; and will be blogging my own views about that soon (in fact, a partial draft is saved on my computer already, but I&#039;ve been down with a migraine the last few hours).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, you are 100% correct, and I should have included &#8220;history of interpretation&#8221; or &#8220;history of reception&#8221; papers in my parenthetical list. Thank you for the addition.</p>
<p>Peter, you also are quite right. In this particular post, I was focusing on Michael Bird&#8217;s original point. As a taste of things to come, I will mention that I largely agree with Charles&#8217;s &#8220;sharp retort,&#8221; and will be blogging my own views about that soon (in fact, a partial draft is saved on my computer already, but I&#8217;ve been down with a migraine the last few hours).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect, &quot;the sharp retort from Charles Halton&quot; had nothing to do with Matthew Henry, but the last two items on Jim&#039;s detest list -- IVP and Bill Dever. My guess he would be in total agreement with you on the use of Matthew Henry and other older commentaries/dictionaries.
Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, &#8220;the sharp retort from Charles Halton&#8221; had nothing to do with Matthew Henry, but the last two items on Jim&#8217;s detest list &#8212; IVP and Bill Dever. My guess he would be in total agreement with you on the use of Matthew Henry and other older commentaries/dictionaries.<br />
Peter</p>
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